Daniel Jackson's Record
Dec. 5th, 2006 01:54 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Okay, I actually did this a while ago, but
sg_fignewton's recent canon/fanon discussion made me decide to note it here.
I think I know Daniel's birth place.
I know fanon has two big camps of Daniel Jackson's birthplace. Either New York (where the parents died) or Egypt...because I guess he's an Egyptologist and/or his parents were putting up an Egyptian exhibit?
Anyway, I proffer that Daniel Jackson was born in Olympia. Either in Greece or in Oregon. I wanted it to be Oregon, since that's where Grandpa Nick was committed. But, there's no such place as Olympia, Oregon, but there is Olympia, Greece. After staring at the following picture, or its equivalent from my dvd pause and zoom, I'm positive it's some round letter O/G/C/Q and R as the state (or country) of birth.
I know pictures are questionable canon. Carter's birth month shown on a screen in "Entity" is different than the May month Orlin mentions in "Ascension", and O'Neill's age differs from "Brief Candle" to the id card shown in "Fragile Balance". But Daniel's birth information is open to question (I still want to know when July is in Stargate land if Daniel is 4 "and a half" in August of 1969).
This is how I've translated the above picture:
ENLISTMENT RECORD NO: 00-404-226
ENLISTMENT RECORD: ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES
DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE
NAME: JACKSON, DANIEL DATE OF BIRTH: [ILLEGIBLE]
PLACE OF BIRTH: OLYMPIA, OR/GR (?)
SEX: MALE RACE: CAU
COLOR OF EYES: BLUE COLOR OF HAIR: BROWN
HEIGHT: 6'00"
WEIGHT: 175 LBS.
HOME ADDRESS: 4?00 [ILLEGIBLE STREET]
MARITAL STATUS: SINGLE
EDUCATION
HIGH SCHOOL: GRADUATED
FIRST SECONDARY: GRADUATED
FINAL DEGREE: PHD
DEGREE OF STUDY: ARCH ANTH
MAIN CIVILIAN OCCUPATION:
ACADEMIC - ARCHEOLOGICAL TRANSLATOR
DATE [ILLEGIBLE]: 11901-E
SERVICE NO: N/A : CIVILIAN
PHYSICAL CATEGORY: A-2
ENLISTMENT LOC: COLORADO
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I think I know Daniel's birth place.
I know fanon has two big camps of Daniel Jackson's birthplace. Either New York (where the parents died) or Egypt...because I guess he's an Egyptologist and/or his parents were putting up an Egyptian exhibit?
Anyway, I proffer that Daniel Jackson was born in Olympia. Either in Greece or in Oregon. I wanted it to be Oregon, since that's where Grandpa Nick was committed. But, there's no such place as Olympia, Oregon, but there is Olympia, Greece. After staring at the following picture, or its equivalent from my dvd pause and zoom, I'm positive it's some round letter O/G/C/Q and R as the state (or country) of birth.

I know pictures are questionable canon. Carter's birth month shown on a screen in "Entity" is different than the May month Orlin mentions in "Ascension", and O'Neill's age differs from "Brief Candle" to the id card shown in "Fragile Balance". But Daniel's birth information is open to question (I still want to know when July is in Stargate land if Daniel is 4 "and a half" in August of 1969).
This is how I've translated the above picture:
ENLISTMENT RECORD NO: 00-404-226
ENLISTMENT RECORD: ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES
DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE
NAME: JACKSON, DANIEL DATE OF BIRTH: [ILLEGIBLE]
PLACE OF BIRTH: OLYMPIA, OR/GR (?)
SEX: MALE RACE: CAU
COLOR OF EYES: BLUE COLOR OF HAIR: BROWN
HEIGHT: 6'00"
WEIGHT: 175 LBS.
HOME ADDRESS: 4?00 [ILLEGIBLE STREET]
MARITAL STATUS: SINGLE
EDUCATION
HIGH SCHOOL: GRADUATED
FIRST SECONDARY: GRADUATED
FINAL DEGREE: PHD
DEGREE OF STUDY: ARCH ANTH
MAIN CIVILIAN OCCUPATION:
ACADEMIC - ARCHEOLOGICAL TRANSLATOR
DATE [ILLEGIBLE]: 11901-E
SERVICE NO: N/A : CIVILIAN
PHYSICAL CATEGORY: A-2
ENLISTMENT LOC: COLORADO
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Date: 2006-12-05 01:09 pm (UTC)I think it's sometime in the ninth season that someone, possibly Daniel himself, says that he has three Phds. Perhaps he finished up the third one after this episode? It does seem to fanon that at least the first two were Archaeology and Linguistics, though, not Archaeology and Anthropology. And in Emancipation, he doesn't seem to be an expert in Anthropology, just has knowledge in passing, as if he took a few courses.
Ah, well.
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Date: 2006-12-05 02:33 pm (UTC)Philogy also interlaps, but I know less about that as a specific field.
The show focuses on Daniel as an archaeologist and linguists the most. In area of speciality seems to be Egypt. I know an archaeologist, one of my old mentors, that focuses on writing systems and langauge in an acrchaeological context and he teaches in the anthropology department. So he's basically an anthropologist (he teches a variety of courses), he considers himself an archaeologist. I figure that Daniel considers himself as archaeologists as well, even though he could get by as an anthropologist if he really wanted to.
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Date: 2006-12-05 02:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-05 02:35 pm (UTC)I fanwank they just ran out of space on the government form, since all three fields of Daniel's study are represented on this chart. I doubt Daniel went back to school after his descension (he was slightly dead, er, ascended, at the time). He likely had all three before he joined the Stargate program.
According to Joe Mallozzi, he asked Michael Shanks about Daniel's field of study to ensure he got it right in the script. Before that, fanon just kind of went with logic and/or used the novelization of the Stargate movie. I've also been advised by people IN this field of study, that Archeology PhD programs are often a subdivision of Anthropology. Philology may be a related degree as well.
The definitive line was spoken by Shen Xioayi in 9.17 "The Scourge" (and since Daniel did not correct her, presumably he did it because she was correct and not out of politeness).
SHEN: And Doctor Daniel Jackson. Ph.D. in Archaeology, Anthropology, and Philology. The man who solved the riddle of the Stargate.
Scourge Transcript (http://www.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/wiki/9.17_%22The_Scourge%22_Transcript)
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Date: 2006-12-05 02:46 pm (UTC)It's cool that you are so knowledgable in archaeology/anthropology academics, moonshayde. I wish I was an expert on something practical. Alas, my degree is in professional writing.
And I DID know that philology was the correct term for linguistics. I just couldn't think of the word.
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Date: 2006-12-05 03:15 pm (UTC)It's cool that you are so knowledgable in archaeology/anthropology academics, moonshayde.
Practical? LOL I study ancient cultures, writing systems, and history. I missed the practical boat a loooong time ago.
But professional writing is cool :)
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Date: 2006-12-05 04:16 pm (UTC)But I've always loved history, and I'm sorry I didn't have time to take more courses in it when I was in college. And, of course, arch/anthro is just cool. I love people, cultures, places, events--i love see the threads and watching how they weave and intersect.
And. Um. Yeah. I'm just a total geek.
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Date: 2006-12-05 02:37 pm (UTC)I'd love for the show to offer another clue so tgat I can make that leap. But I'm still resisting because I am stubborn and need more proof LOL
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Date: 2006-12-05 02:40 pm (UTC)So I'll be a revolutionary here on my lj. *eg*
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Date: 2006-12-05 02:45 pm (UTC)So I can go with you halfway. I definitely see that the cap says Olympia. I just need a bit more before I can commit to GR. But I know I'll never get it *sniffle*
Why couldn't there be one in Oregon??? It would make the Nick thing work so much better!
But yeah. That's all that is holding me back. I need some more -- something in canon -- to sell me on him being born in GR. I just don't know what I can find to convince me.
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Date: 2006-12-05 02:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-05 02:46 pm (UTC)It's just make up the name Olympia? Seems odd. But stranger things have happened.
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Date: 2006-12-05 03:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-05 03:13 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-05 02:49 pm (UTC)But they could've decided to combine Olympia, Washington with Olympia, Oregon to be original.
I like that idea. :-D
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Date: 2006-12-05 03:07 pm (UTC)Jack: "You were born where? Oh, come on."
Sam: "...you have to admit, it fits. In a kind of...scary way."
Daniel: "Both of you can shut up now."
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Date: 2006-12-05 03:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-05 04:46 pm (UTC)I swear it reads Olympia. Really truly. :-) You just have squint hard. Heh.
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Date: 2006-12-05 03:11 pm (UTC)Writing a screen of information that was only going to be on-screen for a very small time could have been assigned to a writer somewhat low-down on the totem pole. And if they don't keep a series bible, which they obviously don't, well . . .
Yeah. I like Oregon. It's pretty.
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Date: 2006-12-05 04:48 pm (UTC)*closes eyes and wishes*
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Date: 2006-12-05 03:17 pm (UTC)Yes. I shall need to find a way to convince myself of this.
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Date: 2006-12-05 05:14 pm (UTC)Although seriously funny. They have his home address and it's not something like "Omaland"? And no mention of the fact that he's... y'know... dead?
Single, not widowed? And as far as the degrees are concerned, canon is all over the place with that. He was just an Egyptologist in the movie (just, she says), but that's overwritten by canon, where he is most emphatically an archeologist and also a linguist. (Katherine specifically calls him that in TBFTGOG, although maybe he had different degrees in that universe.) Then here in S6, the linguistics isn't mentioned and anthropology is. And in S9, he's got all three, except that the linguistics becomes philology...
Dear Stargate. We need Redbyrd to make some kind of sense of your delightfully confusing canon. :)
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Date: 2006-12-05 05:28 pm (UTC)(Though I'm sure someone with military knowledge could correct me).
I had a problem with the single, not widowed as well. But maybe Sha're is too classified to fit into the basic file. Right?
Daniel calls himself an Egyptologist in an alternate timeline (8.19 "Moebius Part 1"), but again, that's "alternate", probably a special interest, but his PhD itself is broader.
Being called a linguist I would think is much more common than being called a philologist...besides Daniel's knack of languages is more than just ancient ones, and you don't need parchment to speak a variety of languages fluently. I've never seen a discrepancy between philology and linguist. :-)
Like I said above, I just figure there's too much to fit in his little gov form boxes (have you ever dealt with them? they're tiny sometimes!, heh)
See! It's all as clear as mud!
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Date: 2006-12-05 05:33 pm (UTC)*loves*
I don't suppose there are other files to compare categories?
As for the Sha're thing being classified... Eh. Not buying that one. "Widowed" doesn't have to include full knowledge of the deceased spouse. Nice try, though. :)
Forgot about the Moebius thing. I guess we'll just have to leave it as "alternate Daniels have alternate degrees," and wonder just how many languages each one can speak!
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Date: 2006-12-05 05:46 pm (UTC)Daniel's is the only one in Disclosure. He was specially profiled as the guy who opened the Stargate. Actually, with all the Daniel references, glowy appearances, and Thor guest spots, S6 isn't as MS/Daniel absent as you might think!
(It helps I got to know Jonas BEFORE I saw Meridian though, heh).
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Date: 2006-12-05 06:56 pm (UTC)I haven't seen S6 (except for the Daniel ones), but I did recently see Smoke and Mirrors. I was surpised at how much I liked it. Mostly because Teal'c was utterly cool and it was nice to be introduced to Barrett for the first time. (And it's so stupid that the NID is all corrupt except for one or two "rogue" individuals. It makes it so ho hum.) Is Jonas is always portrayed like this in S6 - the nice polite guy who needs to be briefed on everything that's happened in the past? Because that was fun. And ooooh, what a missed opportunity to bring Daniel into the show. Can't you imagine the looks on Teal'c's face if the guy who answered the door had been wearing Daniel's face?
And, of course, I adored "Daniel Jackson instructed me... I believe the year was 1969." Such love. :)
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Date: 2006-12-05 07:42 pm (UTC)Actually most of the time, Jonas recites files back to the others (which is why he's so shocked in Smoke and Mirrors). However, he does this in an innocent encylcopedia way rather than Mitchell's delivery...until he realizes he's weirding everybody out, because it's you know...weird.
Let's see a Daniel-fan's guide to Season Six (besides the THREE) from my OWN biased but Daniel-friendly opinion.
Redemption Part 1 & 2: These are among the BEST most AWESOME Teal'c scenes ever, and Stargate fans who don't watch the eps for those alone are missing out. It has McKay in snarky glory as well. Jonas's introduction is done with expectant awkwardness and not overly bad. I think they should've gone with AT's gut reaction in the Daniel/Jonas office scenes though.
Descent--well, the beginning is good, but even Jonas tolerator me finds the "Jonas is awesome. Like him" a bit hard to swallow. Plus signs, cool effects, and Major Davis spotting. Oh and wet SG-1.
Frozen. MMV, but I found it was an episode where they stuck Jonas into something better suited for Daniel's role. However, Lone Gunmen alert for X-Files fans. And Janet rocked out. Ancienty lore explored. And another reason on Jack's checklist of why Antarctica is his least favorite continent.
Nightwalkers. Many people hate this episode because A) Poor Man's X-Files, and B) Lack of Jack. I love it. I thought Sam was great as the leader (sam's my second fav after Daniel, so I'm biased towards her too). If you liked Teal'c and Jonas in Smoke and Mirrors, you'll love them here. Sam slaps Jonas and Jonas starts realizing how weird people find him. Oh, and did I mention SG-1 in civvies? Cool.
Abyss...you know.
Shadow Play. Well, if you're really not a fan of Jonas, don't watch this one because it's a return to Kelowna. If you like Al from Quantum Leap though, you'll be torn, because Dean Stockwell's really sweet as Jonas's old mentor.
The Other Guys. Sometimes (unfortunately) known as Felger I. I love the Other Guys. I love Coombs (John Billingsly) with the requisite snark that dials down Felger's, er, Felgerness. It's a humor episode, and I liked it as such (and is why others hate it). If you wondered what the deal was with that first prime in Full Circle, you'll find out here. Besides, it has an all time favorite Jack line: "You ended that sentence with a preposition, bastard!"
Allegiance. You HAVE to see this one. Jacob AND Bra'tac. Jack and Jacob heart to heart. Angst and conspiracy! Jack + Big Gun. Oh, and I don't think Jonas was even in the episode, if it was, it was a brief cameo.
Cure. Well, you'll learn more than you ever wanted to about Tok'ra in this one. It's a more classic team episode. Once again, Jonas refers to Dr. Jackson's notes as he and Teal'c try and figure things out while Sam and Jack are paired up. I find it pretty meh, but it is funny when Jonas does a nose dive into a pit of Goa'uld.
Prometheus. In my utterly biased opinion, this is one of the worst episodes ever. It's just bad, stupid, bad. I hate what they did with Q. Even Jack pointing out how insanely bad an idea it is doesn't save it. Sigh. But others don't share my hatred. Good points: Sam does a total MacGyver action shtick. Teal'c and Jack save the day (though I hate that sequence). Major Davis sighting.
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Date: 2006-12-07 08:05 am (UTC)I also liked Prophecy partly for the same reason. In spite of the "special Jonas" parts, this was an earnest, but insecure guy. He seemed more human. If they'd skipped Descent and had this one earlier in the season, Jonas could have had an interesting storyline that, while it may not have made him a totally compelling character, would have given him something other than being Not!Daniel most of the time.
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Date: 2006-12-07 02:55 pm (UTC)I agree CN/Jonas certainly played the situation differently than Daniel, but I couldn't wrap my head around Jonas being the one to connect to Ayiana by being the "expert" on this new world, when he was just as alien to it as she was in many respects.
As for Prophecy, I agree. This would've been something to help give Jonas a unique identity, but there was no time to develop it (not that I'm not happy Daniel came back *bg*).
You've got no Stargate icons left at all, do you? ;-)
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Date: 2006-12-07 08:16 pm (UTC)I'm also glad that Daniel came back on the show. :-) Still, they had an opportunity to do some interesting things with Jonas, and I don't think they really did.
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Date: 2006-12-05 07:43 pm (UTC)Unnatural Selection: The Introduction of Fifth (and cameo by Helo of BSG!) I really liked this episode and its implications (not borne out of course). However, I think I'm in a minority on this. But you have to at least watch the ice cream scene in the beginning. It's Teal'c gold!
Sight Unseen. This is a stupid episode, and very Jonas centered (though that's not why it's stupid). Bad f/x and corny plotline/characters.
Paradise Lost. Wait, you haven't seen this yet? You HAVE to. It's the Jack and Maybourne hour. Plus Sam angst (with hug from Teal'c) and a dressing down by Dr. Lee. (heh, at least I saved the Lee sighting for last. but this ep is also why some Sam fans don't like him).
Metamorphosis Ick. Melty people and elephant men. Jonas's "specialness" is brought to the fore in an "homage" to the Graduate, with Nirrti playing seductress. Blech.
Disclosure. It's the clip show. Therefore Daniel sightings! (see the screencap). Plus you have to watch Thor's smackdown of Kinsey. It's the only clip repeated in another clip show! LOL
Forsaken. I actually found this to be Jonas actiing as more of his own character than notDaniel in this ep (because I could never see Daniel planning what he did). But others get mad because he dared write in a book...which is sacriligious, of course. ;-) I thought Sam was awesome, and Jack as team leader...nice. It was a good team episode.
Changeling...nuff said.
Memento. Jonas as NotDaniel in a team episode (but you have to watch Teal'c in the library scene...and remember it's post Changeling. I didn't notice until someone in fandom pointed it out...it's "almost" a Daniel cameo). Not fantastic, but not terrible either.
Prophecy. Well, this is the ultimate Jonas is special episode. With him in life-jeopardy danger. But for an overall character study, it's not bad at all. It gave him something unique to work with...of course right before they told him sayonara, because right after...
Full Circle. Nuff said.
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Date: 2006-12-05 08:04 pm (UTC)Let's see...
Redemption. Sounds passable.
Descent. Don't care much for "see how wonderful Vala is!" either.
Frozen. No X-files interest. Love Janet but can get her elsewhere. Interested in Ancients, but not enough to watch.
Nightwalkers. Love good Sam in command eps, which means, sadly, all of S8 is out. (Remember Spririts?) Am sorely tempted to see Jonas get slapped. :)
Abyss. Well... yeah. :)
Shadow Play. Well, the review on Gateworld was vaguely interesting. HATE Kalownans with a passion. Pass.
The Other Guys. Perhaps can find a clip for that line of Jack's, which I never actually realized was canon. :)
Allegiance. Ooh, is this where that used-in-vids-clip of Jack in slow motion with his big honkin' gun comes from? And Bra'tac goodness. Hm. Tempting.
Cure. Yawn. Liked the Tok'ra until Anise came along. Y'know, back when they were allies. Pass.
Prometheus. Hate Simmons. Hate Tau'ri spaceships taking over the Gate. Pass.
Unnatural Selection. Think putting human faces on Replicators BIG mistake. Pass.
Sight Unseen. Pass, thank you. :)
Paradise Lost. I. HATE. MAYBOURNE. With the passion of ten thousand suns, or is that nuns? Not even the temptation of seeing Bill Lee in action for the first time is enough to make me watch this.
Metamorphosis. Pass, thank you. :)
Disclosure. Highly tempted. Know about Kinsey smackdown mostly because of this (http://www.members.tripod.com/tivester/nondisclosure_agreement.htm). And now with your screencap canon goodness... Hm. Will see.
Forsaken. Hm. Sounds vaguely interesting, for the teamy goodness.
Changeling. Well, yeah. :)
Momento. Pass.
Prophecy. Pass, thank you.
Full Circle. Imagine if they'd actually ended the show like this and left a cliffhanger for a wrap-up movie. Meep!
Thanks for all the time you put into this for me! Shall I mention that I didn't bother watching the two non-Daniel S10 eps, either? :)
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Date: 2006-12-05 09:45 pm (UTC)Yes, of COURSE I remember Spirits. :-) Trust me, Sam is 10x better in this one, and looks cool doing it.
The Other Guys. Sniff, poor Coombs.
Felger: What would Col. O'Neill do in this situation?
Coombs: You want me to shoot you?
Allegiance. Ooh, is this where that used-in-vids-clip of Jack in slow motion with his big honkin' gun comes from?
Ooooh yeaaahhh.
Plus, it is the best Tok'ra/Jaffa/Tau'ri episode of them all. (And you really need to see the Jacob/Jack scene...not THAT way...and not That way either, heh). Really. Makes you realize how pissy they truly were in Death Knell too. Bastards.
Not even the temptation of seeing Bill Lee in action for the first time is enough to make me watch this.
Actually, he first appeared in Season Four's "Prodigy". [/anal trivial knowledge]
BTW, in fairness, Jonas is good in Metamorphosis, and definitely his own man, not NotDaniel here. I just really really really hate melty people. Really. (and yes, I ff that scene in X-Men too. I'm a wuss).
Imagine if they'd actually ended the show like this and left a cliffhanger for a wrap-up movie. Meep!
I know, as a series ender, it's kinda freaky, but I love it as a season ender. Who knows what they'll do for S10 (and if my flist does know, DON'T TELL ME!)
SEASON TEN SPOILERS BELOW (FOR AIRED EPISODES)
You know, Insiders is pretty bad in S10, but Uninvited...well, you know Puff the Magic FruitBat Dragon from "The Quest?", he's got CGI cousins in this one. Despite that, the teamy nature of this episode was good. It's worth it for the Landry/Mitchell bird calling scene. I missed Daniel in the tag though. But both eps they handled his absence well.
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Date: 2006-12-07 08:15 am (UTC)Anyway, good work! :-)
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Date: 2006-12-07 02:49 pm (UTC)I got sucked into fanon myself. I read so many stories about Daniel's couch in his office, I began to think one actually was there until I started looking at the episodes again!
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Date: 2006-12-07 08:13 pm (UTC)I get sucked into fanon, too, but there is some of it that I dislike, like Daniel's coffee addiction. OTOH, Daniel's couch! I'm convinced he has one, too. ;-)
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Date: 2006-12-07 09:10 pm (UTC)I get sucked into fanon, too, but there is some of it that I dislike, like Daniel's coffee addiction.
Have you visited
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