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Ooh, writing meme! I can never resist these...to do or to visit at other people's.

Comment with a story I've written, and I will tell you something I knew, learned, or wondered about while writing it that didn't make it onto the page.

Gakked from [livejournal.com profile] kalquessa.

You can find all my fic listed here.

Date: 2009-01-30 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalquessa.livejournal.com
#7 of "What Would Jack Do?"!!

Date: 2009-01-30 04:21 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
It amuses me that you're specifically picking one ficlet by *number* of the WWJD. :-) Cracks up.

Okay, so..."Triple Layer Bittersweet Chocolate" (i.e. the Sam POV of WWJD)

(Yes, this was the segment I infamously "punted" back when the characters were fighting with the muse (http://aurora-novarum.livejournal.com/82857.html).)

Okay...this part:
He stared at her a moment, his mouth twitching in a smile but looking between her and Daniel as if they should share some unknown joke.

Sam was uncertain what he found amusing, but her dark mood held no humor.


I wondered whether Teal'c revealed much of his "Changeling" dream to his teammates. He mentioned how Daniel helped him in "Orpheus", but the details were vague. Sam was a big part of his subconscious comforting him at the SGC (even if she kept insisting on his drinking "warm milk" to his displeasure) and then of course glowy Daniel purposefully showed up.

So to Teal'c it was quite a moment--and thus something he would feel when he knew Sam was unsettled in her new role. Thus he shared a secret joke...except the other two weren't there/wouldn't remember, so they couldn't share the laugh at the punchline. Sam at least was aware there was something to his statement, even if she didn't understand and was still too sulky to try. *pets Sam*

Aw, SG-1...bonded in ways they don't even understand!

(And...I feel like I'm a sellout that I'm giving you a Teal'c moment instead of a Sam insight from this fic so...if you'd rather hear something about her, I can try again.

Date: 2009-01-30 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalquessa.livejournal.com
No, this is perfect, I totally adored the three of them there, especially Teal'c with his bovine lactose line. Which cracked me up and was exactly right.

Date: 2009-01-30 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sg-betty.livejournal.com
Revelation and Damnation? Bet there's some interesting stuff there...

Date: 2009-01-30 05:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
Oooh, Revelation and Damnation...

As she dressed in clean garb–she wondered what would happen when she went to the infirmary? Would Janet recognize what–no, not Janet. Never again would it be Janet. She closed her eyes to that remembered pain. Would Warner or one of the others sense she change she now felt beat within her? The damnation she exuded despite all the assurances to the contrary? How would...

That ellipses is where I actually had a new revelation while writing the draft.

The way the fic is set up, I figured Fifth would go through multiple versions of the scenario Replicarter showed Sam in Gemini. And at first I was going to have it be more like "Tin Men", the infirmary would show her as the other, even as she still felt like Sam and she'd see her differences with Fifth and SG-1 that way in how they reacted to her not being Sam and thus rejected.

But it wasn't Janet and it seemed a bit awkward and retreading the Tin Men ground, so instead this "version" of Fifth's training had a delay before the base attack of Replicators. It conveyed the same message but in a more dramatic way.

(I still wish I had taken one or more turns with a revision pen to this...I'm not so practiced in writing this way.)

Date: 2009-01-30 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sg-betty.livejournal.com
I found it extremely chilling and dramatic just as is... I don't know what you could have done that would make it more horrifying!

Date: 2009-01-30 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sallymn.livejournal.com
A Picture's Worth... ? I liked that one, interesting concept :)

Date: 2009-01-30 06:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
Ironically or maybe unsurprisingly, it was hard to depict everything going on in this painting. I actually had to imagine the backstory battle.

Teal'c working with the pachyderm shepherds...much like he corralled the Abydonians in "Full Circle". (Picturing him being a general of these animal tanks was amusing).

Sam and Daniel working in this chamber to try and shut things down, with Daniel translating and Carter switching out crystals a la "The Sentinel" episode of Season 5.

Reynolds working on the siege fortifications a la "The Iliad."

Lorne's team ended up at a bird farm (with lots and lots of feathers). I think John Adams was still fresh in my head and the tar and feathering concept as a battle technique. But then the feathers stuck in my head, which led to the pillow factory comments. I have a feeling that particular battle didn't work out as planned at all. But the feathers likely helped blind the enemy. (And Lorne was still at the SGC in Season 8, it was neat to have him "active" there).

Like I said...epic. It was fun playing with multiple teams working together on a seat-of-their-pants plan. And also fun to just get...a picture of it after the fact. The readers can imagine the whole saga better than I could ever write it.

Date: 2009-01-30 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beanpot.livejournal.com
Insurance Snafu!

Script Form Prequel to Insurance SNAFU

Date: 2009-01-30 06:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
Hmm, Insurance Snafu...Hmm, I've done a dvd commentary on this one, so...something not said before...

I did have backstory for the Pentagon, of course. I can just imagine the conversations with Davis and O'Neill.

(OMG, you've gotten me to write a prequel!)

Davis: Sir, we're getting a red flag from Cheyenne's CPO division.

O'Neill: Flex time during lockdowns again?

Davis: No, sir, it's Dr. Jackson.

O'Neill (suddenly serious): Daniel? What is it?

Davis: Well, he's being rejected for (trying hard not to smile at all, not funny, not at all) life insurance.

[O'Neill chuckles.]

Davis: Sir, the CPO is at her wit's end with the redacted file and she's asking some pretty pointed questions. I think we have to tell her...[wow, how to explain this?]

O'Neill: Does she have clearance?

Davis: Yes, sir. She's our liaison when we have civilian casualties, but it's more need to know.

O'Neill: Fine, I'll sign off on it.

[Pen pauses...]

O'Neill: You know, I'm due for a briefing at the White House in twenty...and Daniel may just think this is all a joke.

Davis (confused): Sir, I'm sure Doctor Jackson would take this...

O'Neill (waving him off): Yeah, but he knows how my mind works. I'm sure Hayes wouldn't mind. Maybe I should get Hammond's John Hancock too...

Davis: Sir, I really don't think...

O'Neill (with a dangerous twinkle in his eye): I'll get this back to you soon, Major.

[Later, Davis gets the authorization, with just O'Neill and Hayes's signature. He glances at summary report and shakes his head. Nine Lives Jackson. This woman doesn't know what she's in for. He'd dealt with Pat Jennings before, and liked her. Poor soul. He couldn't resist writing "Good Luck" on a post it before closing the file and putting it in the courier bag.]

Re: Script Form Prequel to Insurance SNAFU

Date: 2009-01-30 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beanpot.livejournal.com
I love it!!

And no ponies!

Re: Script Form Prequel to Insurance SNAFU

Date: 2009-01-31 01:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aelfgyfu_mead
Oh, I love this! I must say, I saw it and thought, "There's no way she could write a prequel to that!" I was wrong!

Re: Script Form Prequel to Insurance SNAFU

Date: 2009-01-31 01:14 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
*cracks up*

I defy you to sell that line!
Oh, don't defy me. :-)

Re: Script Form Prequel to Insurance SNAFU

Date: 2009-01-31 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sg-betty.livejournal.com
Ha! Yep, there's no way Daniel wouldn't have thought it was a joke! :)

Re: Script Form Prequel to Insurance SNAFU

Date: 2009-01-31 02:47 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
Well, he does know Jack. Heh.

Date: 2009-01-30 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-loquita.livejournal.com
My fav: The Lollipop Guild

Hee!

Date: 2009-01-30 07:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
Hee. Straight for the crack, huh?

Well, aside from never quite making up my mind of how technologically advanced the Machotins were...

I found it hilarious that Jack was the voice of reason (although snarky one) at how ridiculous the whole scenario was in the first place, and yet after the escape, he was the one to embrace the silliness even more. Not even realizing he was humming "Over the Rainbow", while the rest of the team wanted to just get home and try and forget the whole thing happened.

(which actually fits his character, in a way)

Date: 2009-01-30 08:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] zats-clear.livejournal.com
Y is for Yu

Date: 2009-01-31 01:11 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
I feel bad the realization that Daniel knew that Yu knew that Daniel was not Jarren was just a wash. But of course if/when Yu returned and found Jarren already there with no memory of the summit, he'd figure out he was tricked somehow. It also solves why the First Prime is always there.

My cheat for this backstory is I used my canon of "Full Circle" (otherwise known as "Interference") as the backstory for here. It's pretty heavily hinted canon that Daniel stacked the deck and told the system lords, headed by Yu to be there. But Daniel wouldn't remember that. Yu and possibly his first prime would.

Date: 2009-01-30 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrspollifax.livejournal.com
I'll play! Flights of Ingenuity.

Date: 2009-01-31 02:24 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
this is one of my personal favorite fics, but I was cursing my first draft. Because...Flights of Ingenuity was originally supposed to be Jack's point of view, but it wasn't working at all.

When it was Jack's, it started with them in line for security and Teal'c starting to ask questions there at the displays you could see and getting strange looks from the crowd. It got trimmed down to a couple of odd looks when Teal'c is talking about Apollo 11 where there's people nearby.

(Rewatching Small Victories I realize that scene isn't quite gelling with canon since Teal'c pulled a "one small step for jaffa" line, but I'll fanwank it Teal'c saw the footage and didn't realize it was THAT fragile a craft).

Date: 2009-01-31 01:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aelfgyfu_mead
"Just a Scientist"!

Date: 2009-01-31 02:46 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
Hmm, stuff I didn't say before (http://aurora-novarum.livejournal.com/42113.html#cutid1) (Someday, I may do a dvd commentary on this one.)

Bill was going to reference his wife and family in one of the scenes where he's dreaming of rescue and thinking he's not cut out for this. But I wasn't sure it was canon then, and so just left it open. I wish I hadn't. Sometimes I wonder if PTSD from this affair caused his divorce (he has kids via 101 Dalmatians, but plays the field in Atlantis).

Date: 2009-01-31 03:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aelfgyfu_mead
Oh, jeepers, I forgot I'd already asked you about Bill. I always ask about Bill, don't I?

I wrote Bill in "Fostering Relations" as having a marriage strained by his PTSD, which turned out to work quite nicely. (I suspect, however, that the writers had simply forgotten that Bill was married by the time they got around to that later episode.)

Date: 2009-01-31 04:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
Yes, I was always pleased they seem to have kept your wank as canon. :-)

(Your image of Bill not wanting to close doors still stays with me). I think there must've been something there. Maybe or maybe not related to Evolution.

P.S. I don't mind you always ask about Bill. Bill Lee is awesome!

Date: 2009-01-31 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thraesja.livejournal.com
Doh! "Just a Scientist" was already nabbed. Ummm..."Drawing Straws".

Date: 2009-01-31 02:56 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
Drawing Straws was supposed to be one scene! The actual straw drawing scene. But then I got these ideas about Sam bursting in on Hammond and Daniel and Teal'c talking.

It was actually difficult because I purposefully wrote it more from "team" pov, not getting into anyone's heads--a third person limited unseen narrator as it were. I wanted to try and convey all their thoughts and emotions through their dialogue and action. A way of keeping us somewhat in the dark the way they were kept in the dark of what Hammond and Jack and us as readers (and watchers of Shades of Grey) already knew.

I ended up putting everything in the fic I wanted to. Some people think I should've dropped the Makepeace scene additions, others say it's their favorite part. I wished I had morphed two of their missions into one. It was hard to believe the canon that this all took place in one week.

Date: 2009-01-31 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thraesja.livejournal.com
I have to admit the POV thing threw me for a bit of a loop while I was reading, mostly because you're usually more solidly in a subjective one, but this is a good explanation for the difference. I think since I've read so many fics where the author head hops back and forth due to ignorance or laziness, I'm unfairly biased against any sort of third person (quasi) omniscient.

I liked the Makepeace scenes, especially the commissary make-up scene where he doesn't know what to say after finding out SG-1 doesn't know Jack's leaving. Makes him more rounded as a character than he's often portrayed in fics.

Date: 2009-01-31 07:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
Yeah, I've experimented and find I'm mostly comfortable in third person limited (if sometimes alternating) narration (in past tense). It's interesting you say that the POV threw you. I was trying to carefully not be in characters heads...except for hammond in the beginning a bit and o'neill at the end.

I considered shifting between them in point of view, but I didn't want to focus on one over another of the threesome. It was the reaction of them all that equally mattered an being omniscient would be too much a mind trip for me as author or the reader, and also elevating the reaction of one over that of the others, even if I switched back and forth.

At least that's what I tried to do. The result may have been a flat less-emotional impact than moreso.

ETA: And re Makepeace. Yes, that commissary scene is my favorite moment with him. Because he did feel he was doing his duty, he just had a warped view of how best to achieve the SGC's mission. (The actor reportedly hated he became a traitor...aside from the fact he lost his gig, he didn't see it as part of Robert's character).

Date: 2009-01-31 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thraesja.livejournal.com
I usually write third person limited (altering) as well, generally also in past tense, though I've been messing with present more recently. And I have a stalled WiP that I may try rewriting in first person, which will, er, be a first for me.

You were definitely in Hammond's head at the beginning. It was in the middle that I wasn't quite sure what you were going for. Most of the time I got that you were in an objective/neutral POV, but a few things struck me as crossing the line into omniscient . E.g. "Sam arrived first, looking around lost and wondering if she shouldn't have gone to her lab instead" as opposed to "It was obvious Daniel was weighing the question heavily in his mind." To me, the first is in Sam's POV, whereas the second is either in someone other than Daniel's or in an objective one.

As I said before, I'm pretty heavily biased against omniscient, mostly because authors often (lazily, in my opinion) use it to tell what a character feels instead of showing it through action and dialogue (and boy, do I ever regret once trying to explain that thought to an author who always writes sloppy third person subjective omniscient). However, that's clearly not what you were or ever have been doing. I was momentarily distracted trying to figure it out, but got caught up in what was happening. I actually think the neutral perspective was a good way to go, I just found you sidestepped out of it occasionally. And that's entirely my own preference and opinion; yours and everyone else's may differ substantially.

I totally agree on Makepeace. Good character. Decent guy. An inappropriate view on what was best for Earth.

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